"Is AI A Deal With The Devil?" How Literal Is That Question? OpenAI's Dean Ball Debates Antiquity Scholar Zachary Porcu
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2026/09/20/openais_dean_ball_debates_qntiquity_scholar_zachary_pursu_debate_is_ai_a_deal_with_the_devil_how_literal_is_that_question.htmlDr. Zachary Porcu, host of 'The Roots of Everything" podcast (
https://www.youtube.com/@TheRootsofEverything), and Dean Ball, head of strategic futures at OpenAI, debate whether artificial intelligence is - literally or metaphorically - a deal with the devil," during this "Fault Lines" debate series from the Intercollegiate Studies Institute.
Porcu starts with the idea that myths from all different cultures warn against communing with spirits and containing them to perform tasks or provide you with unearned knowledge:
ZACHARY PORCU: When I get asked this kind of question, as a scholar of late antiquity, I can't help but think about all the things that happened in late antiquity related to our technological developments of the time.
I think about our relationship to knowledge. The Garden of Eden and how the serpent promises that we shall be as gods through a tree of knowledge. Prometheus offering knowledge to mortals. The Book of Enoch, where the fallen gods essentially give knowledge of technology to man.
In all of these cases, I get concerned because this technological mastery seems to always be associated in our stories with literal demonic, fallen-god, spiritual elements.
So, when I see the development of technology now, it just seems to fit the same exact mold, and it has all the same troubling moral implications.
Ball makes the case that AI is more of a discovery about how a part of nature works than constructing (or contacting) some kind of outside spirit, and then hedges that the lesson of the Jewish legend of the golem is never supposed to be "don't ever build golems."
DEAN BALL: Well, I think it's important to start by asking: What is AI?
AI is, you know, in a formal, literal sense, deep learning... I don't think it's really even a technology. It's not an invention. It's actually more like a discovery.
It's a discovery about nature, about reality, that there are ways to configure matter such that it has the properties that we associate with intelligence. Why? Well, the universe is a very complicated place. It's very hard to predict what will happen.
But at the same time, there is, like, deep structure to the universe. And I think that structure, for me, in my theology of the world, that deep structure to the universe is where God lives, in that sort of pattern.
And I think that it is the ability to identify those patterns, to do what in information theory is called compression, to make something big smaller...What we have figured out is that that is a characteristic associated with biological intelligence, with neural networks in animals, including humans, is also a characteristic that we have figured out how to imbue, at least in some ways, into matter.
I don't view this as demonic. I view this as a part of our God-given responsibility, I would say, but certainly at least privilege, to understand the universe and understand this deep structure in which I believe God lurks.
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One point, you know, that I sometimes think about is, I was reading recently some Jewish mystical stuff about, like, golems and whatnot.
One of the interesting things about the golems in the rabbinical tradition is, like, the rabbis in the Jewish tradition agree about nothing, right? The whole history of it is, like, arguing about everything, right? But I can't find a single instance, and neither can any of my LLMs, of any of the rabbis, of any of the major figures, saying it's bad to have this - to basically imbue matter with intelligence, which is what a golem is.