MCCORMICK: Oh, it entirely matters. Listen, we should be electing people to office. We can have differences of opinions, but we have to start with a, with an agreement on a certain set of values of what made America special, which is this commitment to freedom the commitment to opportunity for all.

And we have to look and stare at evil in the world. And to say the Muslim Brotherhood is just another freedom group, given the track record of terror and terrorism that that group has promoted, is just a wild distortion of history. And so if you're going to run for a Senate seat in America, in the state of Michigan, you have to be promoting America with -- it's got flaws, but it's the greatest country in the world by any measure.

I'm worried that the Democratic socialist movement does not start with the premise that our democracy, our capitalism, our way of life, despite the many things we need to improve on, isn't the greatest system in the world. And that is the fundamental question.

Who are you for? Are you for those people who believe in America, or are you for those people who want to tear it down?

MACCALLUM: You know, the question of capitalism versus socialism, I think, is so central to this because when you look at those 74 percent of people who say that they're not satisfied with the economy, do you think Republicans on the campaign trail are doing a good enough job at explaining to them, look, if you're not satisfied now getting more stuff from the government is not necessarily going to make your life better? Do you think they're articulating that in a powerful enough way?

MCCORMICK: Well, I think we need to do a better job of making sure that people understand how radical and ineffective these policies are. When I was a soldier in the Cold War and the Cold War ended, I never imagined I'd be a 60-year-old guy standing in front of 25-year-olds telling them why socialism isn't a system that's going to make their life better.

It belongs in the dustbin of history. It has failed over and over again. We want an economy that creates opportunity for all which is based on merit, where everybody has a chance for the American dream. Socialism is the opposite of that. And we do need to give every person in America the opportunity to succeed, to have their best life, the American dream. The path to that is a capitalist system.

MACCALLUM: Yes. We don't hear a lot about individual power and ambition and drive in a lot of what I'm hearing during the campaign, so it's very interesting.

And thank you, Senator. Thank you for joining me. Thank you again for your service. It's always good to have you with us. Thank you, Senator McCormick.

MCCORMICK: Thanks for having me, Martha. Bye-bye.