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Post #951 89
You will be dead far longer than you will be alive, and you are wasting it being afraid.

Fear is the mind-killer.
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41. For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled).

One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest.

Thus the money maker constantly strives for more and more wealth.

The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next.

The long distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster.

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Post #949 63
it's cruel to do to you too.
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West Coast Action 40. (part two) If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take the physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society…
40. (part three) Scientific work may be motivated in part by a drive for prestige, artistic creation by a need to express feelings, militant social activism by hostility. But for most people who pursue them, these activities are in large part surrogate activities.

For example, the majority of scientists will probably agree that the "fulfillment" they get from their work is more important than the money and prestige they earn.

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West Coast Action 40. (part one) In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one's physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed…
40. (part two) If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take the physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society is full of surrogate activities.

These include

• scientific work
• athletic achievement
• humanitarian work
• artistic and literary creation
• climbing the corporate ladder,
• acquisition of money and material goods far beyond the point at which they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction
• social activism when it addresses issues that are not important for the activist personally, as in the case of white activists who work for the rights of nonwhite minorities.

These are not always PURE surrogate activities, since for many people they may be motivated in part by needs other than the need to have some goal to pursue.

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West Coast Action 39. (part three) Hirohito's studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting nonscientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he…
40. (part one) In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one's physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert the very modest effort needed to hold a job.

The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence and, most of all, simple OBEDIENCE.

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Post #938 94
Since we last saw each other, A few things have occurred:

- Anti-Flock sentiments are now mainstream and popular on both the left and right, signaling a new shift toward attitudes regarding technology becoming a key dividing line in American politics.

- AI containment breaches involving rogue models accessing the internet have become common and widespread. Admin gave up covering each one individually before he even went on break, as there are simply too many to discuss.

- Multiple major AI companies have issued calls for AI development to be slowed down, though admin can't hell but note that their suggestions for how to do such a thing amount to vague sentiments that lack clear steps on how to begin such efforts.

Admin would like to discuss the final point soon. In the meantime, enjoy this mainstream media clip, it gives a good idea of how out of touch top officials in business and politics are to what is occurring, and how the key concern regarding AI is the survival of critical infrastructure.

"I dont think I fully just appreciated what it'd actually be like when the progress was as fast as it was"
- Dario Amodei
Post #937 87
Welcome back folks, Admin's real life has gotten quite busy, and while there is no sign of such busyness stopping, he has settled into a routine and now feels comfortable spending time posting again. Posts will now resume, if at a gentler pace than before.
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Post #933 216
West Coast Action 39. (part two) Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological…
39. (part three) Hirohito's studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting nonscientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn't know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals.

On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)

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