[UNIDENTIFIED HOST]: Do you think self-regulation is sufficient, or does it need to be accompanied by legislation?

BILL GATES: No one thinks self-regulation is enough.

[UNIDENTIFIED HOST]: There needs to be legislation passed in Washington?

BILL GATES: Absolutely.

You need law enforcement and the politicians to get into the discussion about what safeguards and monitoring look like, and that has to be a requirement.

And it will be a little bit of overhead for the industry, but not a dramatic slowing of what they're doing.

[UNIDENTIFIED HOST]: You know, it's interesting because during the Cold War, the U.S. and the then-USSR were able to cooperate on limitations around nuclear weapons development.

Is that a model that can be used right now between the United States and China to try to reach an agreement on AI?

BILL GATES: Yeah, absolutely.

This is more difficult than that was.

[UNIDENTIFIED HOST]: More difficult than nuclear weapons?

BILL GATES: Yes.

Nuclear weapons - access to the materials, the ability to see tests - there were things that were unique about it.

Even there, we could be doing better in terms of drawing China into some of those frameworks.

A lot of that stuff expired.

Since World War II, the U.S. should be very proud. When there have been global challenges, we, in a way that was benign, you know, where we had friends and allies coming along with us - aviation safety, ozone layer, nuclear weapons, a lot of things where we played the...




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